How to Start a Fire with Water

Check this out Laughing

eric

wow can you say bomb lol.

Cool fire starter though

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Ya, that would make a nice flash-bang Laughing

eric

Seems to me you should mix it outside, too. Shocked

I don't recommend this mixture, it can ignite and explode even by the mixing grinding procedure.

The stuff inside the cold pack is similar to the stuff used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma.

Also you could wind up arrested depending on State, Federal, and local laws.

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That would be this experiment: http://www.unitednuclear.com/negx.htm

Instant cold packs contain either urea (won't work here) or ammonium nitrate, which isn't regulated in any way. Usually the stuff in ice packs is damp already so you take an enormous risk using it for this. You can buy it in 50lb bags as fertilizer as well. Labelling it as a horrible substance because mixing it with diesel produces a quite insensetive explosive is ridiculous. You are referring of course to ANFO (ammonium nitrate-fuel oil), which is used in commercial blasting operations due to ease of manufacture on-site and insensitivity, but with a special type of pellet to improve blasting properties. Tons of household substances are similarly hazardous. Mixing *** and *** makes chlorine gas for example, the stuff used to kill tons of people in WWI...just don't do that...it will corrode almost any metal (including stainless steel) it contacts and maybe kill you. That experiment uses ammonium chloride. Sodium chloride (table salt) also works since all you care about is the chloride part.

Two small wax sealed vials (one with zinc powder and the other with ammonium nitrate/salt) could be safely stored in a survival kit and a very small amount mixed right before use and then the vials resealed...of course a fire starter that will blow up as you mix it on a rainy or humid day is utterly useless....

The other good chemical fire starter I know of is potassium permanganate and glycerin but the fact that glycerin is liquid and you need a reasonable amount of chemicals to make flame defeats the purpose of using it as emergency firestarter.

Sorry to rant but it really gets me when some relatively harmless chemical is demonized because someone used it in a bad way. Case in point: http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-4-14/54115.html

The flaw in their reasoning is that they also didn't think to regulate the other couple thousand common substances that can be used for the same purpose. In fact, leading carbon dioxide from burning wood (or the many other sources) through water passed through a lot of wood ashes allowed to sit out for a few days will make baking soda. Clandestine baking soda manufacture!

First I am not demonizing anything, when I see a video clip of people grinding substances, that could be dangerous in the hands of possibly inexperienced people I am going to say something. And yes I know that many houshold substances are just as, if not more dangerous than this combination.

How many people have you taken care of that blew there fingers off playing with dangerous chemicals?

And frankly if they are experienced with these mixtures and techniques then I don't care and they can do anything they want.

Point blank there are young people on the Internet they see these things sometimes and begin experimenting and get hurt.

And sorry to say but ever since 9/11 the laws have changed for the worse and many items, and even just using the words "BOMB" and "EXPLOSIVE" are demonized. But that is not my fault.........call your congressman.

And you and everyone else may just face reality that you may be arrested, and or questioned if you have certain substances in your posession. Ever try to buy 3 or 4 gallons of the Stove and lantern fuel at a time in the midwest.(without being labled a METH Lab). You don't even have to have anything in your possession anymore all you have to do is say you "hate" someone or "I am going to kick your butt" and the police are on you like ugly on ape. I don't like it either, it is just society right now.

that's my little RANT

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Well said rant Tfisher Cool

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Thanks DrummerDave.

Really my only concern (that is why my first post) was that I didn't want someone mixing up a batch of this and putting it in a container and then storing it in their survival kit or pack and then it combusting when it got moist enough. Just as Winter said the Ammonium Nitrate in those cold packs are already somewhat moist. it would be fine just leaving the the materials separate, then combining later when needed. Similar to the Potassium Permanganate and glycerin that some people have used and demonstrated.

As an example of the crazy world we live in I was told I was esentially making pipe bombs by the act of cutting off part of the wooden stick of kitchen matches and putting them in a waterproof match container just so I could store more matches in it.

Very frustrating..............

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Well, i guess im guilty of making a pipe bomb as well.
I too have cut matches down to fit in a film container Confused

crazy.
Storing a mixture like that of the video would be crazy indeed.
It looks like it burns very fast & very hot, i think it could cook right through a pack & cook the person wearing it.
I totaly get what your saying with showing stuff like this. Kids try it with no bad intent at all, but end up burnt, blind or
on the extreme end, possibly dead.

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wouldnt it be easier to just use a zippo lol cool vid though

	NorthernHunter wrote:
	wouldnt it be easier to just use a zippo lol cool vid though

> lol, ya. there are 5 differant ways to start a fire that i can think right off the top of my head.

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And the moral of the story is - don't try everything you see on the internet. Wink

There are much better and safer ways to start a fire. Cool

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	Winter wrote:
	The other good chemical fire starter I know of is potassium permanganate and glycerin but the fact that glycerin is liquid and you need a reasonable amount of chemicals to make flame defeats the purpose of using it as emergency firestarter.

I remember on the classical africa episode that Les used potassium permanganate, and the deheretic as the glycerin. I was watching a survival video that used potassium permanganate to start fire also. He didn't use glycerin though, he used sugar. You can either light it by a spark, or by friction (grinding it with a stick) I also looked potassium permanganate up on wikipedia. It says it's a good water purifier, and you can find high grade stuff at pool stores. Does anyone know any of this to be true?

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No clue, Mystik. Confused

Winter could probably tell you, but he hasn't been around in while.

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Thats true, you can get them at pet stores for aquarium cleaners.

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	Survivor Kid 909 wrote:
	Thats true, you can get them at pet stores for aquarium cleaners.

I might buy some someday and try it out. If i do i'll be sure to let you guys know.

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Wow ! long time no see Winter Cool

Good to see your still with use. Cheers.

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Howdy DD. Eh, I don't like arguing online...it's stupid...but sometimes something just presses all of my buttons at once and I go on some rant that makes me sound like a crazy person....I wasn't intending it to be confrontational but it seems to have come out that way. Honestly I got kind of embarassed and shied away from the forum for a while.