Calling all gunwackers

General disscussing about guns.

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"There dosen't look like there's much shelter over in those mountains, but that's the only choice I got right now, this is gonna be a long week" - Les Stroud Arctic

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"There dosen't look like there's much shelter over in those mountains, but that's the only choice I got right now, this is gonna be a long week" - Les Stroud Arctic

Alright, here's a question for all of you: What do you consider to be the best all-around survival firearm. Remember: One gun to get meat, for self defense, for all-around use. Tough choice, huh? Twisted Evil

If I could only choose one firearm, it would be......drumroll please.....a 12 gauge pump shotgun. With different shot sizes it will take almost any size small game. With buckshot or slugs, deer-sized game is available (although buckshot's usefulness as a game-getter is very limited in range), and of course it will be as fine a defensive arm as you can ask for.

Ok, anyone else?

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I'd have to also say the .12 guage pump shotty. ESPECIALLY if you had choke tubes so you could change from full choke for using shot for small game and a rifled choke for slugs for large game. If no tubes then a fix'd improved cylinder would be great b/c you can accuratly fire foster style slugs and still fire shot (mind you it wont hold as tight a pattern as a full choke). My 12 guage pump is increadably accurate with slugs (4 inches high at 100 yards with a 1 inch group) and it just has a single bead front site. Best firearm purchase i ever made. Only down side is the sheer weight of carry'n ammunition. 25 rifle rounds are much lighter and take up much less space then a box of shotgun shells. But that's what gun belts are for!!! Great post, thanks!

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There is no other firearm that I can think of that will kill everything in north america without blowing it to pieces if it's small game.

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A synthetic stock Savage mod 24D(?), in .22lr and 20ga shotgon. With assorted amo could get me the meat that I need and with 20ga slugs or buckshot the defensive capability in the bush that I may use or big game advantage.

Kentucky Bob wrote:

Alright, here's a question for all of you: What do you consider to be the best all-around survival firearm. Remember: One gun to get meat, for self defense, for all-around use. Tough choice, huh? Twisted Evil

If I could only choose one firearm, it would be......drumroll please.....a 12 gauge pump shotgun. With different shot sizes it will take almost any size small game. With buckshot or slugs, deer-sized game is available (although buckshot's usefulness as a game-getter is very limited in range), and of course it will be as fine a defensive arm as you can ask for.

Ok, anyone else?

Depends on your area really.

If a gun is for protection and for hunting then I would think you should go with the biggest caliber you need to take the biggest threat you might face.

a .22lr should be good enough to kill anything smaller than a wild Turkey (and legal in most states up to Turkey) but can with Mag rounds and good shooting take down anything

a 12 guage, .308 or 30-06 can be down graded to kill small game and can take on anything you will find in the Americas for the most part but not Africa/other areas

a .50 cal might be needed for take down of the biggest game you will find but will destroy smaller game

I would personally take a .22lr as you can kill a deer with a mag rd and good aim (through not legally, but we are talking survival situation) and I can take 5x, 10x, or 25x the rounds you could carry for most of the other listed guns.

With anything bigger than a raccoon, or turkey (like deer, bear, ect) how are you going to perserve the meat? If you can't use the meat before it goes bad it's better to just take a small animal, or up to 2 days worth of food.

Now if I was in a place, or had the tools/equipment to perserve the meat for any size kill then I would say 30-06 and a range of ammo from small game to large. I would hate to not be able to get in shotgun range of a kill and loose out on some meat when a good deer rifle and scope can make it so much easier.

Just my 2 cents and it's just from what I have read as I haven't been hunting, or shot a live animal in years.

ColdSoul wrote:

Kentucky Bob wrote:

Alright, here's a question for all of you: What do you consider to be the best all-around survival firearm. Remember: One gun to get meat, for self defense, for all-around use. Tough choice, huh? Twisted Evil

If I could only choose one firearm, it would be......drumroll please.....a 12 gauge pump shotgun. With different shot sizes it will take almost any size small game. With buckshot or slugs, deer-sized game is available (although buckshot's usefulness as a game-getter is very limited in range), and of course it will be as fine a defensive arm as you can ask for.

Ok, anyone else?

Depends on your area really.

If a gun is for protection and for hunting then I would think you should go with the biggest caliber you need to take the biggest threat you might face.

a .22lr should be good enough to kill anything smaller than a wild Turkey (and legal in most states up to Turkey) but can with Mag rounds and good shooting take down anything

a 12 guage, .308 or 30-06 can be down graded to kill small game and can take on anything you will find in the Americas for the most part but not Africa/other areas

a .50 cal might be needed for take down of the biggest game you will find but will destroy smaller game

I would personally take a .22lr as you can kill a deer with a mag rd and good aim (through not legally, but we are talking survival situation) and I can take 5x, 10x, or 25x the rounds you could carry for most of the other listed guns.

With anything bigger than a raccoon, or turkey (like deer, bear, ect) how are you going to perserve the meat? If you can't use the meat before it goes bad it's better to just take a small animal, or up to 2 days worth of food.

Now if I was in a place, or had the tools/equipment to perserve the meat for any size kill then I would say 30-06 and a range of ammo from small game to large. I would hate to not be able to get in shotgun range of a kill and loose out on some meat when a good deer rifle and scope can make it so much easier.

Just my 2 cents and it's just from what I have read as I haven't been hunting, or shot a live animal in years.

Sure, different guns could be better for different situations....but...my question is IF you must choose--you're rushing out the door and have time for just ONE gun--which one? If I get a chance, I'll grab an armful before I evacuate! But if I can only grab one, it'll be the 12 gauge.

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Kentucky Bob wrote:

ColdSoul wrote:

Kentucky Bob wrote:

Alright, here's a question for all of you: What do you consider to be the best all-around survival firearm. Remember: One gun to get meat, for self defense, for all-around use. Tough choice, huh? Twisted Evil

If I could only choose one firearm, it would be......drumroll please.....a 12 gauge pump shotgun. With different shot sizes it will take almost any size small game. With buckshot or slugs, deer-sized game is available (although buckshot's usefulness as a game-getter is very limited in range), and of course it will be as fine a defensive arm as you can ask for.

Ok, anyone else?

Depends on your area really.

If a gun is for protection and for hunting then I would think you should go with the biggest caliber you need to take the biggest threat you might face.

a .22lr should be good enough to kill anything smaller than a wild Turkey (and legal in most states up to Turkey) but can with Mag rounds and good shooting take down anything

a 12 guage, .308 or 30-06 can be down graded to kill small game and can take on anything you will find in the Americas for the most part but not Africa/other areas

a .50 cal might be needed for take down of the biggest game you will find but will destroy smaller game

I would personally take a .22lr as you can kill a deer with a mag rd and good aim (through not legally, but we are talking survival situation) and I can take 5x, 10x, or 25x the rounds you could carry for most of the other listed guns.

With anything bigger than a raccoon, or turkey (like deer, bear, ect) how are you going to perserve the meat? If you can't use the meat before it goes bad it's better to just take a small animal, or up to 2 days worth of food.

Now if I was in a place, or had the tools/equipment to perserve the meat for any size kill then I would say 30-06 and a range of ammo from small game to large. I would hate to not be able to get in shotgun range of a kill and loose out on some meat when a good deer rifle and scope can make it so much easier.

Just my 2 cents and it's just from what I have read as I haven't been hunting, or shot a live animal in years.

Sure, different guns could be better for different situations....but...my question is IF you must choose--you're rushing out the door and have time for just ONE gun--which one? If I get a chance, I'll grab an armful before I evacuate! But if I can only grab one, it'll be the 12 gauge.

I agree. I dont know too much about guns due to lack fo epericance but one thing I know is a 12 gauge will give you the power, and spray. Although reloading is another issue. But due the the fact most machine guns are illigial Smile

I would say the 12 guage is an exellent chocie

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"There dosen't look like there's much shelter over in those mountains, but that's the only choice I got right now, this is gonna be a long week" - Les Stroud Arctic

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	Although reloading is another issue

you can reload for shotguns too troup, only thing i'd question is the lifespan of plastic shells used for shotguns vs brass cartriges used in rifles

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Daffy wrote:

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	Although reloading is another issue

you can reload for shotguns too troup, only thing i'd question is the lifespan of plastic shells used for shotguns vs brass cartriges used in rifles

I know you can, but it takes some time

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"There dosen't look like there's much shelter over in those mountains, but that's the only choice I got right now, this is gonna be a long week" - Les Stroud Arctic

I've never found it to take much, if any, more time to reload for a shotgun then for a rifle. To each their own thoe..

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Never explain. Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe you anyway.

In a survival situation: Having to pack all my gear, it would be hands down a 22 LR. If in situation of being able to carry more gear with horses, vehicle, etc, then a 22 LR, a rifle in the 308 size range and a 12 gauge shotgun. If you are in a permanant location, then 22 LR, 308 size range rifle or larger and a 12 gauge shotgun...

I dont know too much about guns but welcome TAJ Cool

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"There dosen't look like there's much shelter over in those mountains, but that's the only choice I got right now, this is gonna be a long week" - Les Stroud Arctic

Thanks for the welcome Trooper.

I HERE IM HERE IM HERE

lol i love guns alot i mea i love guns Smile

i have a high point 40 s&w cal short barrel rifle i added a laser pointer and one of the best scopes i also have a brown bess one of the best muskets outt here its awsome Smile

im saving up for a m16a1 for you who dont know its a shortbarrel m16 with a retractible stock Twisted Evil

oh ya man awsome i also have a 30-30 awsome and a 12 gauge shotgun Smile

just thoought ilet yall know my wepoins but i am a bow hunter i perfer bowhunting that guns i have a compound 60 pound pull back but would like a indian long bow Very Happy

Bows are nice, but don't get to use them as much as I like. Where I live, hunting places are hard to come by, so have not been able to hunt in many years. Where I live in South Texas,is also overran with illegal aliens, nobody does anything that has the power and depending on where you go it can be dangerous if you camp alone or in small groups.

Why's no one posting pics?

eric

Nice.

Not sure, the reason I amde this thread was ebcause you cant post this on Les' forum, so I dont want to shun those people who like this kind of stuff,.

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"There dosen't look like there's much shelter over in those mountains, but that's the only choice I got right now, this is gonna be a long week" - Les Stroud Arctic

Thanks

I think guns are important to talk about on the subject of survival. They can be a very good survival tool.
Plus there great fun to use, IF USED SAFELY.

eric