muzzleloader and black powder guns

hey everyone hows it going? i was just wondering how many of you use a back powder rifle and what kinda gear do you use with it

i have a 45 cal black powder rifle its not a flint lock though although i am planning on getting a flintlock one of these days.
for gear i bring with me and my black powder is a powder horn not flask a tomahawk and a few more things i will post a pic up later on.
so post your pics if you have them and tell me what you think of black powder rifles i for one really like them Very Happy

Hey Northern, I do not personally hunt but let me welcome you to our little forum here. There are some hunters that visite here so i'm sure someones got a say.

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thanks trooper Very Happy

Though I want to get into it one day, I have had deer jerky before and it tastes great, I would love to know how that make that one day.

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omg man you should taste the deer jerky me and my dad make it is sooooooo good

I'm interested in blackpowder rifles but I don't own any yet. Some day tho!

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you should get one they are alot of fun to shoot the only thing i hate is cleaning them lol but its not that bad just a little more work than a normal rifle

w00t! Smoke poles rule IMO. Right now I have the two .50 inline rifles that shouldn't really be considered a muzzleloader IMO but anyways they are fun, and can shoot a five shot group at 100 yards that you can cover up with a closed fist. But my pride and joy is a .45 cal Kentucky cap and ball. Cool

It was bought, and built by a guy who worked at my old highschool. He built it in the schools woodshop, used for a while then sold it to another teacher. That teacher sold it to another teacher and then traded it to my old welding teacher who gave it to me after I graduated. I love the thing to death! Infact just tonight he gave me about 200 rounds of .445 balls he cast, and a handful of conacles (sp?) that he also cast. Laughing

I'm thinkikng about buying my dad a 1851 Remington, or maybe a Walker in .44 for fathers day, and maybe me a flintlock kentucky pistol. Cool

I also want a flintlock rifle, and a cap and ball shotgun. Embarassed

Here is my baby. Cool

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Lookin good Azarcher Very Happy

Have you takin anything with it yet?

eric

	turd wrote:
	Lookin good Azarcher Have you takin anything with it yet? eric

No, not yet. I did take it on a muzzleloader only hunt for javilina, but that also the first time I had every shot it. That weekend had a lot of blown stalks when the cap would go off but not the gun. Shocked

It snap, the pigs would run, and I would cuss and start laughing. I had my inline back at camp ready to go, but I was having way too much fun with the traditional one. Everytime it wouldn't go off I would say something like "If this thing doesn't go off, then I'm getting my inline out!" I would put it up, pull the trigger and dissapear in a thick cloud of white smoke. Laughing

So I'd load it back up, and take off hiking after the pigs again. Cool

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nice man looks good i got mine for a grad gift to

I've never fired a muzzleloader but I'm curious about them.

What is a realistic range/distance limit for these?

I would assume you can hot-load them to get some extra distance, but since they're not rifled barrels what kind of accuracy at what distance would be achievable? I remember Hawkeye (movie- "Last of the Mohicans") portrayed as accurately hitting enemies at maybe 100 yards with a flintlock... is this kind of accuracy realistic? Or is that just Hollywood?

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Dobry wrote:

I've never fired a muzzleloader but I'm curious about them.

What is a realistic range/distance limit for these?

I would assume you can hot-load them to get some extra distance, but since they're not rifled barrels what kind of accuracy at what distance would be achievable? I remember Hawkeye (movie- "Last of the Mohicans") portrayed as accurately hitting enemies at maybe 100 yards with a flintlock... is this kind of accuracy realistic? Or is that just Hollywood?

Well my inlines are capible of grouping at 200 yards, but as I said above those are modern ones with scopes and heavy riflings shooting sabot rounds. But my percusion rifle does have riflings in it, and a lot of the flints do to! Muskets are smooth bore, but many of the muzzleloading rifles were rifled from the get go. The advantage of having a non rifled barrel is that you can load them like a shotgun with shot in them for upclose work. If you do that in a rifled barrle, it won't be rifled for long. I would say that 100 yards is kind of the limit for the traditional rifles. Sure you can kill something at 200, and knock holes in paper at 300 on a good day, but that is really stretching it, and the drop at those ranges is very extreme! My .45 cal can put a ball out to 300, but it's like shooting a .22 at that range, lots of drop, and hardly any velocity. They are more of a close up gun.

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Ah! Interesting!

I was thinking that muzzleloaders were traditionally smooth-bored, at least from colonial times. I didn't think rifling of barrels came into play until the 1800's.

Anyway, yep, I can imagine the severe drop, and little kinetic energy at long distances.

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ya i agree AZ around 100 yards i would say would be the limit

I have a inline .50 cal. I just recently started last year muzzleloading and im hooked!
Hey Azarcher, where can i get one of those ol' ball and cap muzzleloaders?

Colt, you can buy them at most of the bigger sporting goods stores such as Cabela's, Bass Pro, Sportsmans Warehouse ect. Heck I would even guess that Canadian Tire might sell them. Laughing

Or you can follow this to get a whole mess of companies. I don't know if you live in the states or not, but if you do I know for sure you can get these sent straight to your front door. Cool

http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/MLF_Links.php#Weapons

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Hey thanks man. Im in the states, so no canadian tire for me. My local bass doesnt have them. Ill have to check Cabelas. Nearest one is 4 hours.

I know Cabela's has to have them, and ussually they have a nice selection of them too. Everything from smoothbore muskets, to the newest Knight inlines. I have been looking at a side by side shotgun that uses percusion caps from Cabela's but I also have a really nice flintlock that is that the same store. Very Happy

I think most of Cabela's guns are the Italian INVESTARM rifles. They are really nice guns, and have a high quality standard. If not, then they also may be Lyman guns, which are really respected by the reenacting crowd. Cool

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I've used it to kill to does over the last two years(50yds and 15yds in a tree stand). I used a round ball for both of them, and the difference between the round ball and a regular firearm is the damage inside. There isn't as much damage from a round ball(I even recovered the ball from last year out of the shoulder). With less damage there isn't as much of a blood trail at first. The only problem with black powder is you can't take it inside from the cold loaded, and you should clean it every time you fire it to keep it from rusting in the barrel. Dutchman.

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