Bear Grylls... seriously?

I don't watch Bear anymore. I prefer Les. he is real. Very Happy

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We havnt talked about this for a while but its always an interesting subject.

My opinion never changes on this guy even after all these years, attention whore.

he tries much to hard to make things look "intense" . The camera men are dashing around barley holding the things as they run after Bear who always seems to be running for some reason. Survivor's rule #1, do not do more than you absolutly have to, conserve your energy.

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I agree with ya on that Trooper. Wink

He is....

His advice is going to kill someone one day... Evil or Very Mad

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I know Lara that scares me. I am so glad that I found Survivorman on t.v. because I believed in what bear was doing I would have been climbing trees and such running around. now I know better. Very Happy

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Here's a newspaper article on Bear Grylls:
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/Television/article/448647
His tip for remembering how to navigate, "Bear Drinks Tea For Breakfast" is real usefull. Rolling Eyes

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I came across the book "Man vs Wild" by Bear Grylls today. Most of it is divided into sections for various environments: desert, jungle, etc. It looks like it's more informative than his tv show. Whereas the show features lots of shots of Bear running around climbing cliffs, etc., the book is largely usefull survival techniques. Not that there aren't photos of Bear holding his knife in his teeth, Bear biting into a just caught fish, etc.

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Yeah I actually watched most of an episode of man vs wild the other day. He's got ADHD for sure. He's bouncing around being like an extreme survivalist, and nearly getting hurt. I think he was in a boat in ice water and he said oh lets see what happens when I fall in and try and swim to shore. Rolling Eyes

What a weird guy.

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> Les Stroud < has his book comeing out or is already out in the States.
I think " Lara Croft " had a link to it ? somewhere in here.
And im sure its much better than ..... clears throat........Bear Grylls Rolling Eyes

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	Drummer Dave wrote:
	> Les Stroud < has his book comeing out or is already out in the States. I think " Lara Croft " had a link to it ? somewhere in here. And im sure its much better than ..... clears throat........Bear Grylls

I have a few observations to make:
Les may appeal to people in my age group (60+) because he doesn't present in survival situations that require extreme strength and agility. Grylls usually is in some off the wall place playing Commando, which could be appropriate for younger and more physically fit people.

Grylls seems to be more the masochist of the two of them, giving himself challenges to live up to some imagined standard his father set for him when he was younger. Les seems more laid back and in *energy conservation mode.* Nevertheless, there are things to be learned from each of them. That being, that whatever situation you find yourself in, there just might be a way to get out of it Alive.

But we haven't been put to the test ourselves, for the most part, and for many people these *adventures* are vicarious thrills akin to those one gets while watching a football game.

Grylls is on a mission to prove himself, whereas Les is going to show you how to get out of a bad situation with the least damage to your body. Yet there is something to be learned from both of them. Most of the planet is inhabited by some tribe or another, and we can learn the techniques they have evolved over time to stay alive in the most extreme environments. Your adventure is some else's back yard, and many dangerous situations are survivable, if you tune into the environment to find its resources and threats.

At my age...I have no desire to challenge myself to a walk across the Kalahari with nothing more than a knife and some shoelaces. But the situation or one similar may present itself one day, and it is good to know it is survivable in some circumstances, if certain precautions are taken. Sometimes we can exceed our own expectations, and surprise ourselves and everyone else by getting out of a bad situation with the least damage to ourselves and others. Just knowing that is a Good Thing in my estimation, whether that knowledge comes from Grylls, Stroud, or your Boy Scout pack leader.

Lg

^ Yeah I guess les is more realistic to the average hiker getting lost or stranded, and bear is being a commando. He was in the British Special Forces, so he's pretending to be more on a mission than to survive when lost.

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	Drummer Dave wrote:
	> Les Stroud < has his book comeing out or is already out in the States. I think " Lara Croft " had a link to it ? somewhere in here. And im sure its much better than ..... clears throat........Bear Grylls

The link is under the section for "Books" in this forum. His book is suppose to ba available in November on Amazon.com. You can go ahead and preorder it if ya want. Cool

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	Mystik Spiral wrote:
	^ Yeah I guess les is more realistic to the average hiker getting lost or stranded, and bear is being a commando. He was in the British Special Forces, so he's pretending to be more on a mission than to survive when lost.

Well some people survive while others don't, and past experience isn't always an indicator of who makes it and who does not. Nature is somewhat caprecious when it decides who is the victim and who gets away. Mount Hood is a good example. Remember a few years ago when EXPERIENCED hikers/climbers perished in a whiteout?

They built a snow cave, but made ONE FATAL MISTAKE. They wanted to summit *early* and left their main gear below them so as to lighten the load. When the storm moved in, they were cut-off from that vital gear. To this day, their remains have yet to be found.

Sometimes as above, all it takes in One Mistake and that's the end of it all. And these people were supposedly expert climbers. Now they are dead expert climbers.

So...my message is simply this. Never give up, but also don't get stupid. We have more power than we think, but we're not immortal either. As long as we think things through, we put the odds of staying alive in our favor.

So there is my *lecture*. And you didn't even have to pay for it.

Lg

To survive, is to have strong mental health. Being able to jump around and shimmy across a log over a 60" river isnt proving anything but taking more risk, which is what you do Not ! do in a survival situation.
Im 40 and fit and wouldn't do 3/4 of the stuff Grylls does, its just uping the " risk factor ", again, Not ! what you do i a survival situation.
Take the calm approach, wether your 19 or 75.

Im not saying Grylls cant Survive, but its all about " Him " in his show; Look at me ! ........
The guy all ready has been proven a fraud. Once that trust is gone, he's out'a here.

> As Trooper would say; He is a " Attention Whore "

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Drummer Dave wrote:

To survive, is to have strong mental health. Being able to jump around and shimmy across a log over a 60" river isnt proving anything but taking more risk, which is what you do Not ! do in a survival situation.
Im 40 and fit and wouldn't do 3/4 of the stuff Grylls does, its just uping the " risk factor ", again, Not ! what you do i a survival situation.
Take the calm approach, wether your 19 or 75.

Im not saying Grylls cant Survive, but its all about " Him " in his show; Look at me ! ........
The guy all ready has been proven a fraud. Once that trust is gone, he's out'a here.

> As Trooper would say; He is a " Attention Whore "

You may have noticed that Grylls always has a climbing element involved, whether up or down...something dangerous. It is very unrealistic for him to expect the normal citizen to be able to replicate his behavior, because few of us have his physical abilities. A lot of us would DIE trying some of the *stuff* he performs on TV.

But not to be forgotten is the FACT that he always has a camera crew with him, and Special Advisors, who no doubt tell him what is edible and what is not. Notice the disclaimer at the beginning of each show. Furthermore, isn't it a *little hard to believe* that just as his bamboo raft is sinking in the Pacific, just at that moment when it is going under the water, that a fishing boat appears out of nowhere and just happens to be at his location when he needs to swim for it to avoid being eaten by sharks.

Yes, Grylls is full of it in a lot of ways, but I watch his *stuff* anyhow because I am a survivalism junkie.

Lg

^ Agreed

Survivalist Junkies we are.

Ps. I do not at any time wacth " Bear Grylls " Razz

Cheers Larry.

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Bear Grylls has just gotten to gross for Me to watch.... Razz

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it's just sationalistic t.v. don't get me wrong I like him as a person. but not the show. I hate how eat teaches that eating raw food without cooking it is ok. and he has no respect for the animals like Les does. Les is more real to me he cooks his food and doesn't just rip the heads off of animals. he teaches you how to walk carefully and deliberately and not like a chicken with it's head cut off. Les rules in my humble opinion. but Larry you do have a good point you can still learn from him. I just don't like that kind of reality T.V. thats all. Very Happy

thanks for letting me rant Very Happy

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	linsleyk wrote:
	Les is more real to me he cooks his food and doesn't just rip the heads off of animals.

He ripped the head off the lizard in Costa Rico. " I don't want to eat the head, don't know why, I just don't. " Laughing

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Very good lecture, Larry. Cool

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Mystik Spiral wrote:

	linsleyk wrote:
	Les is more real to me he cooks his food and doesn't just rip the heads off of animals.

He ripped the head off the lizard in Costa Rico. " I don't want to eat the head, don't know why, I just don't. " Laughing

yea true enough but he did cook it first. the thing was pretty dead. Very Happy

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