Problems with your edge.

Hey guys, I thought we needed sometime of, advice section for your sharp tools, if you have problems with the edge, handle or any part of the knife, post here and colectivly we can find a fix.

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If its not shaving, its not sharp.

Last edited by Fonly on Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:06 pm; edited 1 time in total

Before i learned how to properly sharpen a blade I had the problem of not knowing when to stop.
I'd keep going until I had an edge that would truly shave the fuzz off a peach,but the edge was so thin that any normal cutting tasks would end up with either a rolled edge or even some chipping.
It's pretty frustrating to get a great edge on a blade only to have it go dull after a few cuts.

Now believe me on this...I really have a hard time admitting that a blade can be "too sharp". It goes against everything that you would think made any sense. There's a difference between too sharp & properly sharpened.

Now I'm getting my blades sufficiently sharp enough to do anything & everything I'll need them to do,but without the risk of running into problems due to having an edge that's too thin to do everything I'll need them to do.

A little work with a strop is normally all I need to do now even after some fairly heavy use. In fact,my preferred sharpener now is merely a cardboard notebook cover that has some black compound rubbed on it.
Brings the edge back to arm hair shaving sharpness without removing so much metal that the edge becomes too thin. The edge lasts through a good amount of use before it starts to drag.

Hopefully that made sense Wink

Cliff

Last edited by Cliff N on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:27 pm; edited 1 time in total

Exactly, I haven't had to do serious work of an edge sense I got a second hand Grohmann #3 Shocked

, some people. Rolling Eyes

Anyways, at the end of the day, I run a Norton stone over what ever knife I used and bring back the shaving, If I lost it that is, and Im good to go.

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If its not shaving, its not sharp.

^ yeah best to not have to redo an edge for sure. Even to get out a knick takes at least a good hour. Shocked

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I really enjoy my Japanese wet stones Smile

I just got these about 5 months ago, & its so nice to use these.
I can get a very nice edge with these. All my D.H Russells got the wet stone treatment Cool

as well as my Buck # 119.
Wet stones IMO are the way to go if you know how to sharpen.

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	Drummer Dave wrote:
	I really enjoy my Japanese wet stones I just got these about 5 months ago, & its so nice to use these. I can get a very nice edge with these. All my D.H Russells got the wet stone treatment as well as my Buck # 119. Wet stones IMO are the way to go if you know how to sharpen.

can you give me a link to them, because I don't have a great sharpening system. Confused

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If I have to rework an edge(like I used to do on crappy blades Rolling Eyes

), I use a diamond rod, then finish off with ceramic sticks. Just your basic sharpening tools, nothing fancy. Smile

I need to get a GATCO Sharpening System, but I haven't gotten around to it. Embarassed

When I'm just touching up the edge on a good knife, the ceramic sticks bring it right back without any hassle. Cool

I'd really like to have a whetstone too, but as of now I don't.

I'm sure I could use just about anything....I have a good feel for an edge...I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I can hold my own. Cool

Mystik Spiral wrote:

	Drummer Dave wrote:
	I really enjoy my Japanese wet stones I just got these about 5 months ago, & its so nice to use these. I can get a very nice edge with these. All my D.H Russells got the wet stone treatment as well as my Buck # 119. Wet stones IMO are the way to go if you know how to sharpen.

can you give me a link to them, because I don't have a great sharpening system. Confused

Here is where he posted about them. Very Happy

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I found one on eBay. Very Happy

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^ok that's good they're pretty cheap.

I have a knife problem. What do you do if you have a really messed up blade, and it will damage your stones if you try to sharpen it. Question

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Well, lets say, its really bad...... i personaly would send it to a trusted knife sharpener to get your 45 back.
They can do it fast and good. Ive done it once with an old knife, the edge was crap, you could drag it across your lips it wouldn't cut you.
ANd i spent along time getting it were i liked it ..... way to long. So for 15 or $ 20 you can get it done fast. Cool

I would never use my wet stones on a blade that needs alot of work, they are soft. There ment for keeping a razor edge, or close to it.

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Yeah, Dave is right. Sending it to somebody who knows what they're doing is probably the best route to take. Cool

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Again true enough, quickest way is a local knife shop, and or a hunting shop, many places like that will do it.

If your into doing your oen thing, I use a diamond rod for anything too much for a stone, then finish with a stone, then a strop.

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If its not shaving, its not sharp.

	Fonly wrote:
	Again true enough, quickest way is a local knife shop, and or a hunting shop, many places like that will do it. If your into doing your oen thing, I use a diamond rod for anything too much for a stone, then finish with a stone, then a strop.

For years, I've been using carbide knife sharpeners to put a proper edge on my knives, followed by a diamond rod. My test is that it will cut paper without shredding it at the same time. Takes a bit of time...a few minutes/knife. For Razor Sharp, I use a ... razor blade Cool

You would be surprised just how much I use my box cutter knife. I don't bother trying to resharpen those; they're meant to be thrown away ( dull razors buried, new razor installed: 60 seconds max ).

I have so many knives, I have lost count. But it sure is nice just to flip a razor blade over to use the other half-edge of it, and you can carry a 100 pack for cheap. That is 200 sharpenings you don't have to do.

In Illinois, anything over a 5 inch blade, and/or length over all exceeding 10 inches is considered a Dangerous Weapon. Go figure. Were not the twin towers planes hijacked with box cutters? Illinois is FUBAR when it comes to such things. It is worse than living in Moscow. People here are afraid of their own shadows.

Nitwisity like this makes me wish I was somewhere else. Sad

Its like that everywhre Larry, even here in Canada. I remember back in gr 11 years ago my locker was falling apart. I asked the school to fix it or give me a new one. So I brought a multi-tool and was using the pliers to bend the metal into shape. Suddently I get swarmed by 2 teachers telling me I have a dangerous weapon and I got escorted down to the office. Total BS.

It was so stupid I told them "You guys wouldnt fix my locker so I went to fix it myself. If I wanted to hurt someone i would bring a shotgun not an effin multi-tool".

Ridiculas

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	Larry1t wrote:
	In Illinois, anything over a 5 inch blade, and/or length over all exceeding 10 inches is considered a Dangerous Weapon.

Larry,thanks for mentioning that. It's a reminder for everyone to know the local laws regarding knife carry.
In Ohio,ANYTHING that can be considered a dangerous weapon by an LEO IS a dangerous weapon. Of course,criminal intent must be proven to get a prosecution,but that comes at the price of a court visit.

On another note...here's a problem that I've had with some of my blades that maybe someone can give some tips on.
Ever notice that nice,sharp blade you just got seems to get noticably more dull near the tip?
Even on some fairly high dollar knives this has been the case. The tip is ground at a steeper angle than the rest of the edge.
I can get them evenly sharp,but it requires some effort with a diamond block followed by a stone & a strop.
Anyone have any tricks they want to share on how you handle this???
It sure would make life easier...or maybe I could stop buying knives & not have to worry about it anymore Wink

Cliff

Last edited by Cliff N on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:59 pm; edited 1 time in total

	Cliff N wrote:
	It sure would make life easier...or maybe I could stop buying knives & not have to worry about it anymore Cliff

Just buy a tanto point, or sheepfoot blade. Laughing

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Mystik Spiral wrote:

	Cliff N wrote:
	It sure would make life easier...or maybe I could stop buying knives & not have to worry about it anymore Cliff

Just buy a tanto point, or sheepfoot blade. Laughing

BLASPHEMY !!! Shocked

Cliff N wrote:

Mystik Spiral wrote:

	Cliff N wrote:
	It sure would make life easier...or maybe I could stop buying knives & not have to worry about it anymore Cliff

Just buy a tanto point, or sheepfoot blade. Laughing

BLASPHEMY !!! Shocked

haha

Cliff, I've never had a huge problem with my knives, mind you I dont have a huge selection either. really just keeping an eye on what your doing to make sure you keeping the correct angle.

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If its not shaving, its not sharp.

What do you all do to test the egde after sharpening?
As Larry said,he tests his by cutting paper,but what about the rest of you?

Do you:
Not test it?
Slice paper?
Shave arm hair?
Thumbnail drag?

I take mine out back & grab a piece of wood from the stack & if it will do this:

I'm done. If it won't,i keep sharpening until it does.

What's your favorite method of testing for sharpness?
Cliff

For sharpening a smooth blade (not knicks, just dull) I just suggest simply using a kitchen blade sharpener, I use it for all of my knives including my throwing ones and it works just fine. I will say though that if you want something done exactly the way you want it use sharpening stones. Cool

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